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      Nisse5 F @pico8-jihem last edited by

      @pico8-jihem I tested your debug console right now. Very handy!

      Feature request: how about d-pad up/down to browse up/down? D-pad down would basically be the same as the A button.

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      • Discostew
        Discostew F @Nisse5 last edited by

        @Nisse5 It's good, but once you get into utilizing actual loops in a function, including nested ones, and you want to have the function return from within those, you'll have to make a break case after each one.

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        • Spacemario
          Spacemario F last edited by

          I've wrapped up a first version of my template program, which could be used as the start of a game! It displays graphics, gets user input, and plays music plus sound effects. It even "filters" the input with a simple polling implementation, which is nice when you don't want menu cursors going ninety miles per hour. You can see it via my friend code, feel free for anyone to add me:

          SW-1537-8645-5886

          One caveat about the polling: If I call "setTimer" only when a button is pressed, like should happen, I get a very weird error. So in the template, I'm setting the timer every frame: not quite right, but it doesn't crash.

          In my other shared project, the polling code works perfectly, and I copy and pasted it from there. Weird! I'll do a separate post about this in the future if I dig more, and it doesn't look like a bug in my own code.

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          • Zero Division
            Zero Division @Discostew last edited by

            @Discostew The string slice tricks you posted came in handy!

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            • Zero Division
              Zero Division last edited by

              On the Programs screen, you can toggle between the example programs and your own programs from the keyboard using CTRL-R and CTRL-L. Handy to avoid having to reach for a controller.

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              • Wanderer1412
                Wanderer1412 Donator @Zero Division last edited by

                I don't think you actually need the CTRL key. Just "r" or "l" on the keyboard works for me.

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                • Discostew
                  Discostew F last edited by Discostew

                  One thing to take into account when working with any language that runs under an interpreter is that every character in code counts towards CPU usage. For instance, a variable name that is 16 characters long is going to take longer to parse in the interpreter prior to processing its contents than a variable name that's only 4 characters long. I do believe that comments are ignored, so they shouldn't interfere with the parsing scheme, thus won't affect CPU usage.

                  Just be sure to comment on what things do if you do decide to shorten variable names. Don't want to forget what something does because the name becomes less readable.

                  I was quick in my assumption that this was the case, but it is not. Variable name length doesn't have an impact on speed.

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                  • Discostew
                    Discostew F last edited by

                    In relation to my post above, be sure to use the keyword local when defining variables in functions that also have a global counterpart. I just ran through an interesting collision of this when I threw c = controls(0) out of the main loop (so c could be global), and it screwed up my entire MML program during playback. That was because for shortening code in various functions I made, where I'd use c to define a channel that was to be processed. It was odd though because technically, I was done using controls by the time it came to execute my MML_update() function, and once I was done using the c variable in my functions, I write-back to the channel structure, so if c was rewritten, it shouldn't have affected anything. But it did.

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                      MikeDX last edited by

                      this local keyword doesn't exist. what you are experiencing there is not by design but a fault in the parser.

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                      • Discostew
                        Discostew F @MikeDX last edited by

                        @MikeDX Huh, well in either case, it did something to prevent it from screwing up, even if unintentional. But if it has been fixed in the update, then I'll need to clean my code to remove it.

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                        • Zero Division
                          Zero Division @Discostew last edited by

                          @Discostew Not sure this is really true. Depends on the interpreter's implementation. If it parses to bytecode before execution, this might be a non-issue; variable names are probably not kept and likely simply become pointers under the hood. If it's a syntax-directed interpreter, you may be right.

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                          • Zero Division
                            Zero Division @Zero Division last edited by

                            @Zero-Division @Discostew

                            I usually strip out identifiers at the lexical analysis phase, so they're gone before parsing begins. The token stream produced retains the begin and end indexes into the original source code file for each token, which allows for things like printing error messages that reference the line and column where something blew up, recovering the name of a function, etc.

                            Anyway there are so many ways to do it that I think we should resolve to measure the performance of FUZE on shared benchmark programs before making any assumptions about its performance characteristics: otherwise we're operating on pure speculation/superstition.

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                            • Discostew
                              Discostew F @Zero Division last edited by

                              @Zero-Division Dunno why I didn't do a simple test until now, but my assumption was wrong in thinking that shorter variable names produced faster results. I must have done some small but significant change with my code at the same time that resulted in faster processing.

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                                kendog400 F @Zero Division last edited by

                                On nitendo swotch this would be R1 (right top button) (user section) or L1 (preset Pgms)

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                                • Zero Division
                                  Zero Division @Discostew last edited by

                                  @Discostew I suspected as much. We really need a way to get the text of a program off of the switch to share online that's less onerous than screenshots. Then we can really start to science the performance characteristics of FUZE with benchmarks.

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                                      • Spacemario
                                        Spacemario F @Discostew last edited by Spacemario

                                        @Discostew I was totally unaware of this, thanks!

                                        EDIT: I posted before I read that the "local" thing might be a fluke. Either way, very interesting!

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                                        • Martin
                                          Martin Fuze Team last edited by Martin

                                          Moved discussion on the performance of varaibles within loops to it's own topic as need to keep the pinned Hints and Tips as clean as possible and free from general discussion:
                                          https://fuzearena.com/forum/topic/522/for-loops-discussion

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                                            IANRASE last edited by

                                            For anyone trying to get a USB keyboard working with the Switch while undocked:

                                            Not all USB-C to USB A/micro/mini converters will work.

                                            There is a youtube video for hooking up a keyboard while undocked stating that any USB OTG hub will allow you to connect a keyboard, even if its a Micro USB hub connected to the Switch via a USB C to USB Micro adapter, but I have tried getting this to work with no success (I've tried a combination of 2 different USB-C-To-Micro adapters, 3 different micro-to-standard adapters/hubs, both OTG and normal, and two different keyboards).

                                            However, it seems regular (non OTG) USB-C to USB-A adapter will work as long as it is USB 3.1 (which is weird because the keyboards I tried were USB 2, so the other adapters should have worked).

                                            Anyway, if you want to connect a keyboard without the dock, here are the adapters I've found so far that work:
                                            IHome USB-C to USB-A adapter
                                            AmazonBasics USB Type-C to USB 3.1 Gen1 Female Adapter Cable
                                            Nintendo Switch Lite Dual USB Playstand By HORI - Officially Licensed by Nintendo (also works for the regular Switch)
                                            HORI Nintendo Switch Multiport USB Playstand

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